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Post by red on Nov 13, 2013 11:50:20 GMT -5
Oh yeah, absolutely. I still dislike losing them off the bat. Gotta do what you gotta do though.
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Post by Benjamin Peterson on Nov 13, 2013 12:04:52 GMT -5
Power roles aren't the be-all and end-all of good town play.
I've been playing this game for almost 6 years, I've never found that night abilities have drastically improved my scum-hunting ability.
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Post by "The Last King" on Nov 13, 2013 17:59:34 GMT -5
So you're suggesting that town roles aren't required for the Town to win?
So say there is 8 VT and 2 Mafia. How does that work if there is literally no action to investigate. The game will revolve around who can lie out of their ass better. Besides, that's only from your experiences in the game. Others have had different and may depend on night actions for success.
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Post by Kris on Nov 13, 2013 19:36:23 GMT -5
I can't help but think that you're being more than a little condescending there, King. That's something I just roll my eyes at, really.
What is more troubling is how you've been going out of your way to stifle discussion.
Thinking about it, what Benji and Maverick have been saying makes sense to me-- communication is an absolutely vital regardless of power roles or not. That you're legitimately doing everything you can to silence the town is something I can't help but find suspicious since a silent town is as good as a sitting duck. As such?
F.o.S.: The Last King
I'll remove that if you give me good reason.
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Post by "The Last King" on Nov 13, 2013 20:39:59 GMT -5
Whether what I say comes off as condescending or not, I am simply getting my point across. It has nothing to do with 'trying to stifle discussion'. If anything, I am trying to progress discussion by adding my input. So we're just going to randomly vote in the dark and hope we hit mafia? That is a preposterous way to go about this game. Also, I know that this isn't a game without night actions. That would completely defeat the purpose of having a Town because that would mean Town would have zero way of knowing any info. You're playing the 'if' game and that in itself won't help the game progress. You're trying to play aggressive Day 1/Night 0 for nothing, because either A) You're Mafia and you're trying to make targets for Night 1/Day 2 Or B) You're Town and you're pushing for something that isn't there. Unless someone miraculously outs that they're Mafia and wish to be lynched, there is nothing in Day 1 to do except make stupid little joke votes that ultimately lead nowhere. So again, I'd rather wait till Night actions. So take away all these percents and such and lets ask a simple question; Who is scum? Who are we going to lynch? You? Me? Ash? We don't know! Taking a shot in the dark will ultimately hurt town. Also, just want to point this out: While there is a 28% of hitting scum, there is still a 78% of not hitting scum. That is the majority, so I'm not gonna take the risk. As for Callahan's vote, idk. It was pretty random. fos: Callahan and MaverickI don't know who is more suspicious; the person who believes a lynch in the dark and the potential death of a townie is worth the risk, or the person who came out of the shadows with no reasoning behind his vote. Hmmmm. No. I just don't see the point in posting during day 1/night 0 because there is nothing to talk about. I'd rather wait till Day two or till a write-up is available to actually begin a discussion. So you're suggesting that town roles aren't required for the Town to win? So say there is 8 VT and 2 Mafia. How does that work if there is literally no action to investigate. The game will revolve around who can lie out of their ass better. Besides, that's only from your experiences in the game. Others have had different and may depend on night actions for success. Condescending, maybe so. But it is me getting my point across. |
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Post by Maverick on Nov 13, 2013 21:05:01 GMT -5
No. I just don't see the point in posting during day 1/night 0 because there is nothing to talk about. I'd rather wait till Day two or till a write-up is available to actually begin a discussion. This is one of your earlier posts advocating we stifle discussion. This just contradicts your latest post where you say... Whether what I say comes off as condescending or not, I am simply getting my point across. It has nothing to do with 'trying to stifle discussion'. If anything, I am trying to progress discussion by adding my input. I think you're scum. You didn't want discussion because you wanted to rush to the night phase to use your scumkill/maybe additional ability...and when pressed on it you backtrack your statement. Discussion is the town's greatest weapon, greater than any single night action. It's the ONLY kill that town has a say in, and by advocating this, you're taking away power from the town. I think you're backtracking on this point because of what I've said in thread about 'only scum wanting a no lynch'. I say scum want no lynch, another player or two agrees, so you suddenly adjust your story to reflect this. "oh no we should talk, just not vote'. Even though you already said we shouldn't talk either. Vote: The Last King |
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Post by "The Last King" on Nov 13, 2013 21:15:53 GMT -5
No. I just don't see the point in posting during day 1/night 0 because there is nothing to talk about. I'd rather wait till Day two or till a write-up is available to actually begin a discussion. This is one of your earlier posts advocating we stifle discussion. This just contradicts your latest post where you say... Whether what I say comes off as condescending or not, I am simply getting my point across. It has nothing to do with 'trying to stifle discussion'. If anything, I am trying to progress discussion by adding my input. I think you're scum. You didn't want discussion because you wanted to rush to the night phase to use your scumkill/maybe additional ability...and when pressed on it you backtrack your statement. Discussion is the town's greatest weapon, greater than any single night action. It's the ONLY kill that town has a say in, and by advocating this, you're taking away power from the town. I think you're backtracking on this point because of what I've said in thread about 'only scum wanting a no lynch'. I say scum want no lynch, another player or two agrees, so you suddenly adjust your story to reflect this. " oh no we should talk, just not vote'. Even though you already said we shouldn't talk either. Vote: The Last King
This was said before any discussion actually occurred. Directly after you asked me a question, leading to me giving you an answer. oh no we should talk, just not vote
Never did I insinuate not voting. I'm just saying don't vote in the dark when there was literally no discussion going on besides us trying to explain each others' points. Think about it, If I were truly scum, why would I be drawing so much attention to myself. I am one of the more active posters in this game. Surely an experienced scum player wouldn't want the game focused around him/her. |
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Post by "The Last King" on Nov 13, 2013 21:16:50 GMT -5
EBWOP
Just want to also point out how fast he is to put out an immediate vote, rather than allowing me to explain myself. Someone seems eager to get a lynch this day? But I digress.
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Post by Maverick on Nov 13, 2013 21:18:58 GMT -5
I don't think you intended to draw attention to yourself this game. So I don't like the 'if I were scum' argument. Based on what you (and a few others said) you weren't expecting anyone to advocate lynching Day 1. You were content with a no lynch knowing it was safer for you. But I think I caught you backtracking, and if others see it, they should vote you too.
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Post by Maverick on Nov 13, 2013 21:19:57 GMT -5
EBWOP
You shouldn't be worried about ONE vote. You are far away from a lynch. A townie's vote is their weapon and they should use it.
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Post by Benjamin Peterson on Nov 13, 2013 21:24:28 GMT -5
So we shouldn't talk about anything day one? We should all just sit tight and wait for day two so you can all use abilities to play your game for you. Are you incapable of doing the detective work to uncover potential scum or are you simply too lazy to?
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Post by "The Last King" on Nov 13, 2013 21:30:21 GMT -5
Hmm.
This is one of your earlier posts advocating we stifle discussion.
If my memory recalls, I never said we, you all, shouldnt have a discussion. I was just saying that *I* didn't want to be apart of the useless Day 1 non sense, which 9 times out of 10 is just lurking and joke votes. You tried twisting my words around to try and make it seem like I said there should be no discussion between everyone else.
I stayed true to my word, I don't believe in Day 1 lynches just because of the simple fact that there is more town players than scum and we are more likely to lose a townie Day 1 than Mafia. Not saying hitting Scum day 1 is impossible, but its a 22% chance we hit them. If you were to lynch a townie this day phase, then Mafia takes 1 townie night 1, we get the same results as a no-lynch. It seems like you're trying you're hardest to push a lynch, hoping that it'll be a townie so that the scum can take a townie night one.
Almost seems like you're praying on a mis-lynch, hence why you're targeting me. So I think I'm correct in saying that you're probably Mafia. Because let's face it, this has grown beyond trying to reason with me why day 1 lynches are effective. You are just trying you're hardest to lynch anyone. Why me? Why not the people who lurk and post only once to get by? Why not question them? Question the one who is proving you wrong. But it is all good.
Vote: Maverick
I am 100% sure this is a good lynch and if not, then I have no problem taking the heat next day phase.
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Post by "The Last King" on Nov 13, 2013 21:31:46 GMT -5
So we shouldn't talk about anything day one? We should all just sit tight and wait for day two so you can all use abilities to play your game for you. Are you incapable of doing the detective work to uncover potential scum or are you simply too lazy to? So quick to defend someone who doesn't have all the facts ehh? Interesting... |
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Post by Maverick on Nov 13, 2013 21:34:06 GMT -5
At least you're playing, even if you pull out the 'OMGUS'. Day 1 isn't useless discussion, as I'm confident I found scum.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 21:36:27 GMT -5
OMGUS?
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