'There Is No Doctor!" Day 4 - LyLo, Obvs

["The Last King"]

You pretty much sealed the deal when you killed me last night. Rookie mistake that cost you the game.

[blackdeath]

no... i did not think you were the child ... honest was going for the frame job on goocher , now I could have let it stall and talk and that would been the smarter move for the game. also you guys got lucky and got jag , i play it different if he around, I gamble and I lose it happens

[Kris]

Uh, how could you not know he was the child when he was confirmed town by the mod the first day of the game?

[Maverick]

Yea BD.....MOD-CONFIRMED Innocent Child...

So let's talk about the game. There were a lot of miss opportunities to understand the set-up. Hilariously, everyone's decisions in this game were made while not understanding a single thing about the set-up.

First, I don't know why there was Doctor speculation when the name of the game implicitly states, THERE IS NO DOCTOR....

Second, there were multiple Cops. Obviously the red herring was that multiple Cops typically means multiple sanities, BUT THIS WAS NOT THE CASE. Everyone who was a Cop, was a Sane Cop.

BD and Jag missed opportunities to completely put this game away. I pretty much told them 8 of the 9 roles that existed in this game. I gave them the Town Cop role PM as a fake claim, and told them almost everyone had this role. That was supposed to be their clue that Town Cop = Vanilla in this game. Why? Because THEY WERE WEREWOLVES...Cops ONLY check for Mafia....a fact implicitly stated in the Role PM. Everyone who got the Cop role were told they check for mafia. When APB flipped Werewolf, that should have clued someone in.

Also, BD and Jag should have claimed Cop early, like when the flip Cop was flipped. Really what doomed them is that they made themselves stand out from the rest of the town by not having a claim.

Mania, the Seer, who COULD find out who the Werewolves were...actually did just that. He investigated BD night 1. However then he flaked and got Mod-killed. The Mod-kill actually HELPED town though by putting the numbers back in their favor from the no lynch day 1.

Ironically, if I didn't force the town to lynch....APB would have never been lynched and the werewolves would have won. You guys didn't have enough votes required to lynch APB Day 2 because you refused to lynch anyone Day 1. You needed 5 but didn't have 5. I put the rule about plurality to at least force you take make the bad decision to No lynch Day 1 rather than let you guys not post at all. Basically I didn't want three days of not posting until deadline, if you were going to no lynch I at least wanted you guys POSTING about it.

Posting is what WON the town this game. NOT night actions. You guys correctly deduced that, "hey APB only posts when someone puts pressure on him". That was EXCELLENT Day play to find scum. I am very proud of the players who realized that. Conversely, BS sunk his own game by NOT posting. I think had he used his fake-claim and recognized the set-up for what it was, the game would have turned out in his favor. to BD's credit, he did get the game to LyLo when he had no business winning, with Mania using his Seer power on Night 1 and with BD not recognizing the set-up for what it was despite knowing the entire set-up once Mania was Mod-killed.

So here is what I was trying to do this game. I am trying to promote a culture of DAY-PLAY. Only one player had a night action that could have gotten the scum faction, and even if he did, scum would kill him and you guys would need day-play to get the other scum. But, you guys did well. You recognized that APB was trying to lurk his way to victory, only posting when someone put pressure on him. APB was playing a good strategy based on the meta-game, and with town also not posting, it could have won him the game had I not forced his lynch. But guys let me not understate that those of you who were posting were doing the right thing, and I'm pleased about that.

The set-up was a little bit of misdirection. I'm sure everyone who drew Town Cop in the pre-game got excited. Though it turns out everyone who was a Town Cop this game was actually Vanilla Townie. I think had I given everyone vanilla townie instead of Cop would have meant that everyone who drew Vanilla Townie would just wait around until someone with a night action came forward. So yes, I had to trick the playerlist into playing. But this trick allowed the town to win. I truly think if I gave out vanilla townie roles instead, town would lose 100% of the time.

I borrowed this set-up from Mafiascum user BBMolla. I actually played in it and thought it was brilliant design on his part. So credit to him.

I hope this game has proved that you guys don't need night actions to win the game. You can do it with Day-Play.

I will breakdown my thoughts Day by Day in another post. Until then, any questions?

[blackdeath]

lol

you know I have problem claiming ... even fake claiming ... Damn EFK mafia rules drilled into my brain


just going to have to change up my style here that all

["The Last King"]

Wow. The funny thing is I considered the possibility that the cops were all sane. The sad part was that I considered it during a math test at school and forgot when I got home. So fluff me.

[red]

I thought of it when I checked myself and came up innocent. But we seemed to be on the way to winning at the time, so I didn't really bring it up because it wouldn't have contributed shit at the time.

[Maverick]

The Cops WERE all sane. There just wasn't any mafia in the game for them to find.

[The Goocher]

Nice game!

Who do you think the MVPs were?